In my former blog posts, I was writing about Jaime Miller. First, when I summarized my TOEFL experience. Second, when I introduced her excellent right notes course. And now I'm very happy because Jaime gave me the possibility to conduct an interview with her. I hope you'll like it and maybe some of you feel like visiting Jaime's website, youtube channel or even working with her.
Update - please visit my other interviews as well: Gardeniafly and Kate. Both of them from Georgia, USA.
So, let's meet Jaime.
- Hi, Jaime. Thank you very much for
this interview. Let’s begin with your studies. When and where did you graduate
from university?
- I graduated from a school called Lewis & Clark in Portland, Oregon.
It was in May, 2008. It was five years ago.
- What kind of faculty did you attend?
- I studied History mostly.
- So not teaching language?
- No, I did a teaching certificate later.
- When did you begin to teach English
in person or online?
- I started working for a school when I graduated and then I moved abroad
and I began to work at a local school in Turkey. I taught general English
there. It was like elementary level, intermediate, advanced students for about
a year. And after that I stopped working for that school and I started working
online in 2010, but I did it part time. I started getting enough students and I
thought I could make the transition and
I could just work online. I guess in 2012 I stopped working for any schools and
I worked completely online. So I’ve been working for two years only online. In
March 2013, I started my masters in teaching English as a Second Language.
- You mentioned at first you taught
not only TOEFL, but general English. Then you changed to teach only TOEFL. Why
did you do it?
- That’s a good question. You know when I began to teach at school it was
a really well organized school. There were a lot of teachers, there were tests,
and there were standards. I really liked that school and I learned a lot about
teaching while I was there. But they had a rule at that school: you weren’t
allowed to teach TOEFL unless you have one year or a year and half of general
teaching experience. I like challenges. When I was told not to teach TOEFL that
made me especially want to learn how to do it. In the beginning I didn’t think
that I was going to develop a total focus on TOEFL. I just started to teach one
private student and another one. Then I realized that it was something that I
enjoyed and I wanted to get better at it. So I think the big reason that I
still teach TOEFL is because of the students. I really, really like TOEFL
students. I can compare students who I taught just normal, general English
classes; they’re a kind of bored, not so excited about learning English, and
they don’t really have a goal. But TOEFL students always have a goal; they’re
so motivated. I like working with people who are hard working and want to make
a difference in their lives. The real reason wasn’t the exam, because TOEFL is
horrible. Who likes TOEFL? Nobody likes TOEFL. It’s about the students.
- Yes, I agree with you because nobody
takes the TOEFL just because of the TOEL itself. People want to work in the
United States, or study there, and so they have reason to learn. I did it two
years ago. I needed a TOEFL score of 80. I studied and I achieved an 86.
- It’s great to work with somebody who is motivated. Students can be
motivated at any level, high levels, medium levels, lower levels. It’s your enthusiasm and motivation. Yeah, that’s
the reason why it's interesting to work with TOEFL students.
- Yes, I really wanted to go the
United States and I needed the TOEFL exam to fulfill my dream. Let’s speak about
what's important for taking the TOEFL. When I am asked about the TOEFL exam,
such as what is important to pass it successfully, I generally mention 3
things:
- of course you need a solid basis of
English knowledge
- you should be familiar with the
exercises and the conditions of the exam - which is almost as important as the
first one point
- you should have the self confidence
in the fact that you can do it, especially the horrible speaking section.
Do you agree with these statements?
- Yeah, I do. I mean when people have a lot of progress with TOEFL, it’s
because their English is already really strong. They’re just learning
strategies. When people have a real strong foundation in grammar and have
enough vocabulary, it’s easier to approach the exam for them. And I’ve also
worked with some students who are trying to study strategies, something that
they’ve found in books. There’re a lot of books that teach only strategies such
as “just read the first sentence and the last sentence of the paragraph”. If you just use the strategy without knowing
English, it doesn’t work and you can’t answer the question. People really need
a strong level of English. And at that point then you can add strategies. And
when you’re familiar with the exam it makes a big difference. So I agree,
that’s definitely accurate. Knowing what to expect and knowing the organization
of the exam are also really important. Because I’ve worked with other people
who had a lot of English knowledge and
took a diagnostic test on which they got an 80 or so the first time they
took it. And, after taking lessons and learning about the exam, they were able
to increase there score maybe by 15 – 20 points just because of knowing what to
do. Your identification, knowing English, knowing the test and then being confident
– that’s a really important combination of things.
- And there is a fourth thing that I
forgot to mention. It is time management which is known from American
professional sports organizations such as the NFL. A game can be decided on
good time management, and it’s true for the TOEFL exam as well I think. That is
part of knowing the exam. In the reading section, you have to read 3-4 passages
and answer a lot of questions. You have 20 minutes for one passage. If you read
a passage word by word, you don’t have enough time to answer the questions. I
guess there are tips and strategies that students can learn from you.
- Yeah, I work a lot with my students on strategies and time management.
But keep in mind what works for me in reading and other sections, maybe it’s
not good for everybody else. There is not one perfect strategy that fits
everybody. People are unique. Usually what I recommend, not just for the
reading but for the other things as well, is to be flexible about the
strategies. Sometimes people find information on the internet and think, “Ok, I
read it, I did that. It’s my strategy and I’m going to follow it.” Sometimes it
works, sometimes it doesn’t. I would generally advise people that, if they’re
reading or listening to this later, they should not feel bad if a strategy
doesn’t work, because it might not be the right strategy. It doesn’t mean that
the strategy is bad, or the student is bad. He or she needs something different
or to try something else.
- I think we could speak for hours
about strategies.
- Yeah, that’s what I do in lessons.
- Let me jump to the success stories
that I read on your website. Do you have a miracle or some secret technique?
I'll tell you why I ask this question. Sometimes I see ads which state that you
can learn languages easily by relaxing and just listening to such-and-such a
CD. Do you have such miracle methods?
- No-no? Did you ever watch the movie “The Matrix”? They plugged people
into a machine to learn everything. Yeah, I know. Sometimes my students wish I
had that, but I DON’T HAVE THAT. I don’t have a miracle. I put up the success
stories and that’s all true. I know it’s good to be skeptical. The reason that
I have those stories is because I worked with really motivated students. They
worked really hard, they studied a lot, they did their homework, they kept
going tough. I think that’s really the SECRET behind it. People who are
successful don’t give up even if they have a bad day; they take a deep breath,
they do something fun. Then they come back and they try again. So those who are
on the success page worked really hard and they did the things that I
recommended for them to do. I don't think it’s my secret.
- So the miracle can’t be found in
your methods, it is in students’ motivation.
- Yeah, it definitely makes the difference. It’s not a miracle, just
experience. I’ve been teaching TOEFL for a couple of years or so and I have
literally watched many people who took exam. I can say that in the beginning I
didn’t have all the answers, I didn’t know the patterns or what ETS wants for a
score of 26 in the speaking section. I have had so many students that finally I
understood the situation, because there aren’t books written about these things and there aren’t training
courses for TOEFL teachers. If teachers know how to teach TOEFL, it’s only
because they’ve worked with a lot of students and they’ve made a path of their
own.
- Searching the internet, you can come
across a lot of teachers who are preparing students for the TOEFL. Would you
recommend just yourself?
- That's a tricky question. I guess I would say first that I don’t always
recommend myself. Everybody is a little bit different. A personal connection
between the student and teacher can make a really big difference in how a
student learns. From my own personal experience as a student, I know that there
are teachers who are liked and there are teachers who aren’t so liked. If I
look back on who I worked most successfully with, I would say that I was more
successful with teachers whom I liked and teachers who made me feel good;
teachers whom I trusted. There are other teachers whom I didn’t personally
connect with, but other students connected with that teacher. There is no
perfect person who can work with everyone. You know, life is dynamic and
everything’s changing. So I would recommend myself to a student who has
connection with me, but if somebody thinks while looking at my videos 'oh she’s
weird, I don’t want to talk to her' then they shouldn’t contact me. Finding a
teacher is kind of like finding someone whom you connect with. Especially if a
student takes private lessons and invests time and a lot of money and energy in
private work, you should choose someone whom you really trust. I guess I’d say
that first. I think I create some pretty
unique combinations of programs, things that like I do things with my
students that I never saw happening in any of the schools where I worked. I
like experimenting with my students. I really believe everybody is different
and so I try to make an English program that fits that student. If somebody is
looking for a really unique, customized
experience with English to reach a specific goal, I think that I’m pretty
creative about coming up with a plan that will help that person.
- When I was a private teacher, I
didn’t like the question of whether or not the student would pass an exam. But
now I'm going to ask you something similar. When I took the TOEFL, I got a
score of 86 even though I only needed an 80. So just suppose that we have 6
months and I need a TOEFL score of over 105 to reach my new dreams. In your
opinion, could we do it?
- So you had an 86 and want a 105 in 6 months. I’ve seen people who got 20
points in 6 months. So it is possible definitely. Have I seen such people who
have done it? YES! But I’ve seen people who didn’t do it. I am not the kind of
person who just gives you a guarantee. I feel pretty confident in making a
program that could help you, but it depends on a lot of factors such as
personal problems. There could be many factors that can impact a program.
- And, as you mentioned, it depends on
the motivation of the student. And the TOEFL is an exam that somebody takes
when he or she has some purpose in mind.
I really hope that one day I will have such a purpose and I will need to
take the TOEFL exam again.
- (laugh) I have never heard that anybody say,”I hope I get to take it
again!”. You’re pretty motivated, but that’s really good though.
- Yeah, I’d want to take the TOEFL
exam if I got the possibility to learn or work in the United States and that's
a pretty good motivation. Of course the TOEFL exam itself would not be good
motivation.
- Yes, the TOEFL usually opens the door to something new and exciting. I
mean the TOEFL exam is not exciting, but the opportunity for which you do it
can be exciting and that’s why it’s a good thing.
- Yes, TOEFL is one step on your road
to somewhere. In my case, two years ago I needed the TOEFL to spend some time
in the United States. It was one of the nicest periods of my life and I hope
something similar can happen again.
- Yeah, that's a good way of thinking. Anyway, would you like to ask about
my TOEFL scores?
- Ok, I didn’t think of this question,
but it’s a great idea. So, Jaime how many points did you get when you tried the
TOEFL exam?
- I did the TOEFL 4 and a half months ago. I got a 27 on the reading (of
30), 30 on listening, 30 on speaking, and 29 on writing. I think I know why I
lost those couple of points. The reading points were because I haven't read
academic texts since five years ago at my university. My low reading score is a
good indication of what happens when you don’t practice something. If you don’t
practice reading, your score will be automatically lower. I was tired and they
gave me 4 passages. The last one was about trees and I was so bored. “Why are
they doing this to me? I hate it.” If you don’t practice, it’s tricky.
- I also got a boring article during
an exam that was about French fine arts. I have to tell you that I’m not really
interested in French impressionism. Maybe that’s why I got a lower score. My
listening score was only 17, however during practice I made over a 25/26. On
the day of the exam I was sick and I felt the worst during the listening part.
I almost gave up, but fortunately I continued and I could compensate in the
speaking and writing sections.
- Honestly, you would be shocked at
how many people are sick during the TOEFL or immediately before the TOEFL. Your
situation is not strange. So many people are violently sick because of the
TOEFL affecting their score. If you feel physically horrible, you can’t concentrate.
You were great you because you could stay there and you could focus on your
exam. Not everybody is able to do that. So there are so many factors that could
impact your score.
- And last but not least, I would like
to compare the Thomson book and your learning materials on effective taking
notes. In the Thomson book, the integrated task is excellently built up step by
step on how you can write a good essay. You did the same in your taking notes
course that is useful not only for taking the exam, but for everyday life at
the office as well (even in my native language). I guess your other materials
are similar.
- Yes, you know my materials are different from each other. Taking notes
was the first I developed. Speaking confidence is a really different style of
program and there is also the 24+ writing tutorial. They are not all the same,
but I do agree. Going slowly and putting the pieces together generally produces
confidence. It sounds like it really worked well for you.
- Thank you very much for giving me this
possibility to speak with you.
- You’re welcome.
I would like to give you some closing comments.
I did enjoy speaking with Jamie. She mentioned that a good connection is
important between the teacher and the student. Well, I tried it from both sides
(I didn’t teach English or languages, I taught another subject in person). A
good, friendly relationship can be a helpful and wonderful motivation to the
students. As I mentioned, it’d be great to have the need for a new TOEFL score
(it expires in 2 years). If I needed a TOEFL score, it would mean a new
possibility to go to the States where I spent a wonderful period of my life. On
the other hand, I would definitely work with Jamie who is a great TOEFL
teacher. I’m sure we would work together with happiness and I would be very
hardworking and motivated.
So Gardeniafly, after you I had a new
interviewee. What could you add to this conversation?
I haven't really had much experience
with the TOEFL exam myself since most of my former students just wanted to
practice conversational English, but I really admire those teachers who do
teach TOEFL because, as Jaime said, there isn't much material out there for the
teachers. As far as taking language exams, I have taken a Japanese language
exam that is similar to the TOEFL (it's called the JLPT) and I know how
stressful those things are. You just have to plan out your study time and make
sure you don't get sidetracked with personal events. Personally, I know I've
made excuses as to why I can't study this day or that day. That's a bad thing
to do. You have to really be self-disciplined for these things!
Bye bye
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